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[xb9fog]

No, this will function independently of any factory firmware revisions

[majordad0806]

Sign me up. defintiely interested. Tuning the TI Force on my 09 XB12 is a bear

[xb9fog]

Buell Production numbers FWIW

1125R™
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2008-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 5,836
HORSEPOWER @ RPM 146 @ 9800
TORQUE (FT-LBS) @ RPM 82 @ 8000
DISPLACEMENT 1125

1125CR™
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2009-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 3,099
HORSEPOWER@RPM 146 @ 9800
TORQUE (FT-LBS) @ RPM 82 @ 8000
DISPLACEMENT 1125

FIREBOLT® XB9R
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2003-2007
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 7,491
HORSEPOWER@RPM 92@7500
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 68@5500
DISPLACEMENT 984


LIGHTNING® XB12S
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2004-2008
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 10,852
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


LIGHTNING® XB9S
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2003-2004
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 4,332
HORSEPOWER@RPM 92@7500
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 68@5500
DISPLACEMENT 984


LIGHTNING® XB12SCG
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2005-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 5,561
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


LIGHTNING® LONG XB12SS
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2006-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 7,013
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


ULYSSES® XB12X
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2006-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 7,432
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


LIGHTNING® CITY X XB9SX
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2005-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 9,632
HORSEPOWER@RPM 92@7500
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 70@5500
DISPLACEMENT 984


XBRR
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2007
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 56
HORSEPOWER@RPM 150RW@8000
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 100@6400
DISPLACEMENT 1338 07


FIREBOLT® XB12R
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2004-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 10,408
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


LIGHTNING® LOW XB9SL
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2003-2004
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 1,513
HORSEPOWER@RPM 92@7500
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 68@5500
DISPLACEMENT 984


ULYSSES® XB12XT
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2008-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 1,911
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


LIGHTNING® SUPER TT XB12STT
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2007-2008
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 1,755
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


LIGHTNING® CITY X XB12SX 09
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2010 (EU ONLY)
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 860
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


ULYSSES® XB12XP
MODEL YEARS PRODUCED 2009-2010
APPROX. NUMBER BUILT 137
HORSEPOWER@RPM 103@6800
TORQUE (FT-LBS)@RPM 84@6000
DISPLACEMENT 1203


68935 XB's
8938 1125's
35915 tube frame
418 Buell motor Co
22785 Blasts
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137009 Total

Don't know the accuracy of these numbers but found this posted on another board

[Smoke4ndMears]

any update on the auto-tuner?

[xb9fog]

I have done all the up front work with the vendor as far as information and gear ratio settings for the Helicon.
Since it's snowy and cold here in Ohio, I can't do any testing/validation personally until spring.
It is summer in Australia though, and we do have a board member here that I am working closely with that has ordered the system and he will be the first testing ..
So the process is set in motion; it will just take some time to get functionality on the Buell verified, as the vendor does not want to market his product for the Buell until everything is verified.

I think we have sufficient interest from the feedback I received, and once everything is verified we might be able to do a group buy to possibly get some level of a discount. But first we must verify functionality.....I'm 99% sure it will pan out fine but you can't offer something until it is proven. This WILL be worth the wait and I will see it through....

[Smoke4ndMears]

good news! one other question -how does this device interface with a logger for dyno purposes?

[xb9fog]

good news! one other question -how does this device interface with a logger for dyno purposes?

It has it's own on-board datalogger, and comes with PC software to view the logs.
I don't know if that answers your question; if it doesn't you will have to be a little more specific.

[xb9fog]

Here's a very good article from Axtell on ring seal and how it can effect power output, I remember reading it years ago and finally found it again.
http://www.axtellsales.com/RonsDocs/Ring%20Seal.pdf

My thoughts...
If you want your engine to make the most power it is capable of follow the motoman break in procedure.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
This is probably the single best 'mod' you can do to your bike, and it's free. Can make a huge difference.

If you ride it easy during initial break in you will have a weak engine due to low combustion pressure (poor ring seal)

[xb9fog]

New firmware found today:
BUE2D242 11-30-09

XB & Helicon


Update 2/7/2010:
For the 2008 & 2009 XB12, this is a new calibration with a new data layout. A BDDFI-III Tuner has been added to the store for this calibration.

For the 1125, The data layout in this firmware is the same as the BUE2D231 09-30-09.
So any BDDFI-III Tuner software that is made for the BUE2D231 09-30-09 is also good for the BUE2D242 11-30-09.
All the Performance flash Utility software has been updated to work the new BUE2D242 11-30-09 firmware.

If you have purchased a PFU for the BUE2D231 09-30-09 firmware prior to 2/7/2010, and you have a dealer update your ECM to BUE2D242 11-30-09, I have a free update for your software available.
There will be a nominal fee of $25 to reset your key , which is necessary after a dealer recalibration. Please email me if you need this update and key reset.

Full PFUs and Upgrade PFUs purchased after 2/7/2010 are compatible with both the BUE2D231 09-30-09 and the BUE2D242 11-30-09.

[xb9fog]

I was reading the instruction sheet for the new Power Commander V piggyback unit for the 1125 Buell on their website.
Thought I would throw this on here as my 2 cents.

I found it interesting that they instruct you to just disconnect both O2 sensor wires.
This will cause the stock ECM to throw several trouble codes and check engine light illumination, unless the O2 sensor feedback is disabled within the stock ECM.
They do not mention that in the instructions. I'm sure that will make for a lot of happy customers.
I would hope this unit allow for individual cylinder mapping, which should be mandatory when tuning the 1125, as the fuel requirements for each cylinder are unique.
I can't find any definitive information, but I'm pretty sure It only allows for global adjustments that affects both cylinders equally. Not a good approach for tuning the Helicon.

For example, when the exhaust is changed out for a open style slip on, the fuel requirement change is drastic in some regions, and the amount of fuel adjustment is not equal for the front and rear cylinders.
If you don't have the means to adjust each cylinder individually, you'll never get it right. You may be able to make some general improvement, but it will pale in comparison to tuning each cylinder individually.

Same goes for the 1125 PCV autotune module - they specify the single wideband module for the 1125.

[xb9fog]

I guess this thread has sort of turned into my own blog, which is OK.
There's been a couple of new options on the market for tuning Buells, I've commented on the PC V above.

I'll reiterate that the stock narrow band O2 sensors need to be disconnected for a good tune and a good running Helicon, regardless of what system you are using. They are good only as an emission control device to keep the engine running at an 'optimal for emissions' AF Ratio (14.7:1 is stoich, the Helicon ECM will be at 15:1 to 16:1 range in cruise, stock).
The Helicon engine will not run smoothly at 14:7:1(understatement) - about the highest AF ratio I've been able to get it to perform acceptably is 13.8:1 with the stock OEM calibration.
This cannot be achieved on this engine with the stock narrow band feeding the ECM. Period.

Very interesting thread over on Badweb where a guy purchased the EBR 'Race' ECM and dyno tested it on his '08 1125. This is one that has the 'O2 on' Personally, I am not surprised at his results.
Actually, I have been quiet on the subject waiting to see what the feedback was from people that purchase this new product. Of course all the SOTP results are fabulous. Some people can't tell rich from lean when they ride a bike, they just don't have the proper experience to judge. This guy put's it on the dyno and is appalled at the AF Ratio his bike is running at.

First off, EBR says it doesn't matter what year bike (2008 or 2009) these ecm's are put on?
WTF? I gotta laugh at that one. I did try to run '08 mapping on a '09 once early on in my development. just as an experiment....needless to say it ran horribly as I expected.
Why does the mapping differ on the factory OEM 1125 ECM between model year '08 and '09? The factory even came out and said that the injectors and fuel maps where changed for the '09 model year release.
Since one would have to assume the DSB effort was using the latest greatest stuff ('09 injectors and mapping) if you put this product designed for an '09 on an '08 (as this poor guy that did the testing has) it WILL be a mess.

I am under the assumption that these ECM calibrations originated from the DSB racing effort, where the ECMs do not utilize the stock narrowband feedback to the ECM (O2 feedback turned off).
IF they took that same fuel mapping (which I'm sure is not targeting 14:7:1 in the CLL(closed loop learn) region, and just activated(turned on) the O2 feedback, wow, all I can say is good luck. I hope they thoroughly tested it before they sold it to the public, because it would need extensive mapping adjustments to make it work properly with O2 feedback enabled.
IF that is the case, the ecm will see a richer than stoich condition in the CLL region, and lean out the AFV and the EGO will compensate to take fuel out to get it back 'in line'. Result: Lean Lean Lean.
This is only speculation, as I don't know exactly how these ecms are set up (yet, but soon I will).
The good news is these ECM's can be read and written with our current tools, so at least buyers won't need to shell out an additional $500 to correct things.

Also, an interesting observation is that originally EBR's website had these labeled as 'plug and play' ecms. Now they are called 'Preprogrammed'. Hmmm.

More questions than answers right now on this one, but I did obtain a hex dump from one of these and will be looking it over soon.
More to come.

[Smoke4ndMears]

what's the news on the auto tuner?

[Zack]

Dave and all here -
I ordered a race ECM from EBR and got it last week.
I asked for: pump gas/BAS enabled/O2s enabled/idle speed 1100-1200/K&N w/ Drummer.

I baselined my OEM ECM with OSB mods the day the race ECM arrived.
I have a fuel pressure issue right now so the OEM went back on Loretta.
Can't tell if there's more power, but the race ECM is smoother than anything I have done so far.
-Even at low speeds.

Odd thing is, although she now idles 3-400 rpm lower than the OEM brain, riding at idle went from 7 mph in first to 10 mph in first with the EBR ECM.

I rode a few miles day before yesterday with the OEM unit and it actually changed the AFV to 100F/90R -
Loretta has always had a "learning disability" which is why I got with Dave in the first place, I was surprised to see the change in AFV while I was monitoring fuel pressure....

As soon as my fuel pressure issue is resolved, the race ECM goes back on and I will dyno Loretta again after seeing a change in the AFVs.

Zack

[xb9fog]

what's the news on the auto tuner?

Contact Tomas at Motty's Electronics: http://www.afrtuner.com
I got him all the info he needs for setting up this up on the 1125, I just don't have the time to test it.

What you need is the AT2.2 with the ICSM-2C upgrade, and an Innovate Motorsports LC-1 controller, and two Bosch 0 258 007 057 sensors.

They also have a distributor out of Buffalo, Ny
http://www.afrtuner-usa.com

[xb9fog]

I baselined my OEM ECM with OSB mods the day the race ECM arrived. Please note to clarify, these are Zack's own mods with the Tuner SW, not the OSB PFU
I have a fuel pressure issue right now so the OEM went back on Loretta.

Odd thing is, although she now idles 3-400 rpm lower than the OEM brain, riding at idle went from 7 mph in first to 10 mph in first with the EBR ECM.
speedometer calibration is off on the EBR ECM?

Loretta has always had a "learning disability" which is why I got with Dave in the first place, I was surprised to see the change in AFV while I was monitoring fuel pressure....
I would guess if there is a fuel pressure issue, it could have an effect on the AFV's...

Zack